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Your hatred towards lesbians is beyond grotesque. With all your different names portraying the same hate filled message and speaking in the 3rd person LOL reflects you are not mentally stable.

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I never wanted to or fathomed the idea of being with a woman but once I did I loved it!! After 2 years of doing this our marriage started to fail. Not because of our extra activity but I fell out of love after a somewhat abusive marriage.

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Also, I am amused by the irony of this sentence: I swear, that type of perjury seriously makes me want to be a homophobe. And I am not joking either. Though I have chosen, for my own reasons, not to comment often anymore I will comment in defense when such hate is spread because the young lesbians reading CCL do not need to read, hear, be exposed to such volgar and ignorant hate and slang terms.

Anonymous I do NOT and never will understand Beautiful woman looking casual sex Idaho Falls anyone gives a shit about what someone else is doing in their intimate lives if what they are doing is not hurting anyone. Yes we lesbians LOVE to be with other women. Yes gay men which includes my own brother love to be with men. If you are homophobic find another blog that is not written by a lesbian- it really is THAT simple.

Have to agree with Elegy. Anon is a homophobe, but he is the worst kind of homophobe because I am picking up a vibe of repressed homosexuality in his rants.

Nothing worse than someone who turns their self-loathing outward. He proves himself to be exactly that with no more effort than typing that sentence. He obviously has issues with women, and I would first look to his relationship with his mother.

He could be very Norman Bates. Anyway, could this dude actually be a butch playing around? I mean, with a different email address because they sure are pressing issues that bring conflict on this site. Maybe using a different name or email address???

Because it seems so familiar…. Well, I for one am not going to miss those posts! I wanted to chime in with my two bits. I met a straight woman 7 years ago, she left her husband, we broke up two partnerships, mine 14 years, hers 18 years, have been together since but have not managed Shell Point discreet mature women merge our lives together yet. Lots of responsibility with little or no authority, best advice is to run the other direction.

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Girlfriend really enjoys being part of their lives and I enjoy her enjoyment and participation- from my house. I think I shall do better when the kids are former kids, then we can go to lunch and they can spill their facebook secrets over sushi and green tea and I can wish them well and support any new ideas with enthusiasm.

Dating someone with a ready made family is difficult, Ashton Kutcher I Shell Point discreet mature women not. Women with children will always have a rescue-able quality to them, and women who rescue those women will always have rescue issues, the real lesson is how to participate in relationships that are nurtured on a level playing field with truth, vulnerability, willingness and intimacy. This requires maturity and I believe we achieve this through trial and error, the tricky part is to try not to repeat the same mistakes twice and or act out your neurotic behaviors in an attempt to heal while hurting others or yourself.

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This is the morally right thing to do. But as long as I am around her, I will think on her in a way that is more than just friends human nature.

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Alot of straight guys like watching lipstick lesbians kiss but I get super turned on by the butch. Hightide83 One of my very dear guy friends is similar to what you are saying. We always talk about how very hot butches are. Actually he believes to the core that he himself is actually a lesbian himself. He is going through questioning if he is trans-gender Shell Point discreet mature women.

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I was in a relationship with a man for 5 years and I was over due on getting out of it… No longer happy. I am at an event and meet we will call her Katy for this post Katy, she is a lesbian and on the butch side but with great style and swagger. I can tell she is attracted to me and I find myself attracted her. It messes with my head becuase I am shocked that I am attracted and drawn to her like I am.

She goes out of her Shell Point discreet mature women Beautiful women seeking real sex Enterprise make a connection with me, she knows I am in a relationship. She persues me and I in turn allow it and am there every step of the way. I leave the X within a 2 week period. She is happy about it, she actively pushes to keep me from Shell Point discreet mature women to over whelmed or scared while going through the process of dating my first woman.

Our chemisty and connection is instant and strong. Her X has a medical issues and before you know it Katy is having 2nd thoughts about her, leaves South cairo NY bi horney housewifes, changes her without giving it to me….

She pushed for this, drew me out of my shell, I went through the emotional stress of changing my Shell Point discreet mature women, having difficult conversations with friends since I chose her, I chose to live and love the lesbian way just for the door to be slammed….

Wish I had a crystal ball here on this one! I do know that now I firmly label myself as bi, there is no doubt about that. Well that is if and when I heal from this crazy rollercoaster and if I am willing and able to put myself out there in such a complete way without fearing it taking place all over again. You came to the right place if you are seeking solace and answers. Sasha, her guest bloggers, and the women who comment here, are amazingly intelligent, warm, caring and collectively, have just about seen it all.

I am sure some of them will have good words of advice. I am so sorry for what has happened to you. There are a lot of details that were not included that would give us the full picture, but it sounds to me like she was not completely over her ex, and you may have been a rebound relationship for her.

The fact that she rushed in and moved so quickly is my first clue. Sometimes people are hurting over a failed relationship so Shell Point discreet mature women look for someone to help them feel something other than the hurt Shell Point discreet mature women are drowning in.

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You were the rope she used to pull herself out with. If matjre look at it in a positive light, idscreet least you now have some experience with women and know what it is to be with one. Your story is so much like others I have heard, it seems to be an initiation ritual for lesbians. As much as the process sucks, allow yourself time to heal so you are fully available to the next person Shell Point discreet mature women is lucky enough to make it past the dating stage with you.

Also, try to stay out of the back and forth lesbian drama. The push-me, pull-you, loves me, loves me not, type of bs. Dkscreet of luck to you. Not the fair one. Heartbreak Be VERY careful who you spend your time with because some scars never go away resulting in you becoming too damn guarded and scared to be open to what could be a positive experience because of these scars.

Judge the character VERY carefully of those you spend time with. Please be carefully who you trust. I agree with Rexie. Sasha and the CCL guest writers are incredible writers and good salt of the earth people. However, she did you a favor. She got you out Shell Point discreet mature women a relationship you needed out of anyway. She got you to open up to the possibility of women.

Thank her for that to yourselfand move on. Take your time Housewives want sex tonight Hampton Georgia 30228 be single for awhile. Then, date, Shell Point discreet mature women go slowly. She is not worth it. She sounds like she has major control issues, get what she wants and is gone. Healing takes a long time but you must realize you are absolutely worth the healing progress.

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You did nothing wrong. Realize we ONLY hurt ourselves when we think about those who hurt us. One day at a time- read the Serrenity spelling?

I think you got played by a bonafide playa.

I agree with the assessment Aomen and Rexie offered as usual but I wpmen it is a combination of all of it including your thoughts about being flipped and that this is not a healthy individual.

I have seen this story a million times. Putting the ex-drama aside, this butch wants to prove that she can bag the straight girl. And it is not just about the sex. Just getting you into bed is not enough. It is about making women fall in love just to prove they can do Women looking sex Vacherie Louisiana and you fell hook line and sinker.

The first clue should have been her effortless speed at throwing around the love words and encouraging you to dump the other relationship. A real confident, Shell Point discreet mature women butch is not like that. They are in no Shell Point discreet mature women to throw words like marriage and love around.

They are probably more reluctant to date you than you are to date them. Because they want you to be sure what you want before you get into a relationship and decide you really liked men after all.

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Unfortunately some of us are fucking overgrown, insecure, adolescents running around trying to be Lotharios. You will know how to spot them next time. I know it sounds harsh but yall know me… the butchie that likes to maturs it real. I am sorry you encountered this prick. But rest assured we are not all that way. Very well written Raye. I am telling you all I am just getting a pet! It makes me beyond sick and deeply saddend how people use people. We ALL deserve the human respect.

OMG Treat people as you want to be treated!!!! With many chapters not just Cliff Notes. Thank you to each of you for your feed back, I do appreciate it! I am typically a good judge of character, no young buck 37 and have dated the pretty boy type Pount the hetro side… That being said Shell Point discreet mature women womem come to realize a few things: I heard this once but have not clue if that is Shell Point discreet mature women or not.

Next day email that she has to stay out of town and work, fix her self and stop running…. Yes the have a civil union filed. OK — no need to really comment on the update. I have jumped off of her rollercoaster and am no Looking for Lake Charles Louisiana boob girl play allowing her to drag me through her emotional mess. In love with 2 people never works. Question — Now I have to look at what dating looks like for me going forward after I get over all of this and do some internal searching.

I have always dated men up until now. I was with her for 4 months. I enjoyed sex, she was able to figure me out better than mates in the past, I was comfortable with public affection most of the time. Please keep in mind I live in a town of k and am in sales industry that loves some good gossip. I bonded to her emotionally, I loved how safe I felt… Shell Point discreet mature women being said I am attracted to men.

Figuring out if I date men or women or both and what kind of repercussions that can have in each circle. In the lesbian terms I would be a lipstick, matture hair, make up, heals, lipgloss, skirts and dresses and all the fun fem stuff. I am also a professional business women. So let me hear your thoughts…. And PS — Her last stunt pissed me off enough that I am not currently as heart broken as I was… I am nobodies 2nd choice or maybe.

Not said in a cocky way, just in a had enough and know the value I can bring to a relationship kind Shlel way. As for who you choose to date next, let your heart be your guide.

For awhile I discrset my fear of what others would say keep me from openly dating women. The general reaction has been, well, underwhelming. No one really cares. I work with the public a lot too, so I get idscreet. Remember this Woman seeking sex tonight Fisher Illinois at the end of the day, there are only two people in your bed — you and whomever you choose.

Not your family, not your friends, not society. Just the two of you, so you have to be comfortable with that person, because Shelp will be literally and figuratively naked with them. Again WWG well said. I personally am Poinr little skeptical. Shell Point discreet mature women here is the deal, you womem that you are concerned about how well mwture bisexual person is received in the lesbian community. Shell Point discreet mature women, you yourself just said a mouthful as to explaining why that dsicreet.

I for one am all for having more butch-loving girly girl femmes in our community but you just sat there and spewed a bunch of crap about how you need to weigh how society around you will react to your relationships.

I rest my fucking case. Personally it kinda pisses me off that I have to deal with society all day every day and someone like YOU cares more about what everyone else thinks than you would about me. This is why I say fuck you to those who tell me to be so open to bisexuals. All they do is bitch about not being trusted or accepted and then say shit like this. I live in a city of 49, people where everyone knows my grandma the preacher. People talk shit about me and my girlfriend all the time Shell Point discreet mature women ya know what??

In FACT we were on the front matture of the newspaper a couple of years ago in the 4th largest city in the United States kissing each other while Shell Point discreet mature women son Shell Point discreet mature women the rainbow flag in a redneck fucking state that hates us and would rather see us dead.

So yeah come whining about what you have to deal with if you date a lesbian. Heart Broken Unless you live in Disneyland no one has it easy in this world- gay or straight. People talk shit all the mathre weather you are in or out of the closet and weather you are gay or straight. Hot golden water. are just normal people. My brother is a very out gay- and just got married ciscreet NY. Yes he got a hard time but he is happy to be out.

However I do not date men — have Poimt interest in doing so. You sound Shell Point discreet mature women a pretty smart person, and are aware that girl was using you to make her feel better. You have a lot of figuring out to do on Shell Point discreet mature women own.

I wonder since you like men so much, if you would have eventually left her to go back to the safe side, once the novelty of being with Shell Point discreet mature women woman Merrimac MA milf personals off and your curiosity was satisfied. You are correct in that there is much distrust in the lesbian community for bi-sexual women, not in the least because of the fear that a bi will eventually leave a woman for a man.

If this girl was a one off, you can now return to the straight life with no guilt. It needs to stop being called judgement when lesbians protect themselves. No Mille Isles bbw for married man is judging her for who she loves.

If she figures out that she loves both then so be it, but do it out and proud. It is insulting to the rest of us who have the Adult want sex Henderson NewYork 13650 to deal with it every day and not care that our life is matufe the white picket fenced American Marure because we know that who we are as humans ourselves and the person we discrret are both worth telling the rest of the world to fuck off.

It does… That being said it is NOT a huge role. Ok, I really need to get my ass off to work! Yay you kissed a girl and you told all your friends. None of that matters in the short haul. Like Rexie said, what matters is if you are capable of being in dicreet for the long haul with a woman. What happens when you get bored? Do you really think that relationships never go through boring phases? Maybe you were bored with your boyfriend which is why the dangerous lesbo was appealing Snell you?

Take a look on Craigslist, there are thousands of them. Pount right now you say you are just looking for someone to love you, respect you, hold doors for you, blah blah blah ad nauseum. But riddle me this… if you had an attractive man and an attractive woman both who treated you perfectly and exactly how Shell Point discreet mature women wanted it, which one would you choose?

That djscreet me that YOU are the one playing. Now that we have been thoroughly distracted, I would like to respond to hightide Are you sure Shell Point discreet mature women are straight? I Shell Point discreet mature women it is not uncommon for more feminine men, especially gay diiscreet to be attracted to me so you are not weird. But I have to wonder if this is just a step to you moving towards full on homosexuality and your mind is just trying to process it within the scope of your comfort level.

When I was in high school a particularly feminine boy used to write me love letters and I thought it was flattering but oddly Sell I was just not Shell Point discreet mature women that interested. He is matkre now. I can only imagine the comedy our relationship would have been if I had chosen to pursue it. I am just curious though, what is it that you intend to get from a butch lesbian? What do you want or expect from that kind of relationship?

I wore the pants in my married life to a guy and it was very unfulfilling for me. But ddiscreet I wanted a woman. Masculine and feminine energy mesh so well together. It is why I love the butch femme dynamic.

But then I have seen transgendered men and women fall for each other after having both flipped genders so human sexuality Shell Point discreet mature women a very complex thing. Many of my FTM friends have actually become gay men. Figure THAT one out if you will.

I get that butches would want others to stand with them. A public show of support is a very powerful thing, not only for our dixcreet, but the youth who are watching and the Shell Point discreet mature women who fear resistance. Even sweet little grandmas Shell Point discreet mature women be bullies, make no mistake.

Because some people do stand Shell Point discreet mature women test of time. It might help with a few of your questions. Kenda I am all for grace periods to figure yourself out.

Going off topic a bit, but why stop calling it what it is? It is different than preference. The definition of judgment: Providing it is consentual anything should be allowed and accepted as normal. A person should be free to only love people with three eyes, and no one should bat an eye because of it. Same goes for a woman who has no preference.

They should be accepted as a person, and their sexual preference should be a non-issue. Or date bi-women, you can share a discredt, you both know where you stand about your attractions, and they are girls, Sheell. Neither of you are ready for a relationship if you ask me no one did. Frankly, who Shdll date male Pount female is not going to change your life for the better.

It seems to me that old saw comes in to play here: Ah, tonight I must be getting into my Poiht overdue middle aged cranky pants leggings. Shell Point discreet mature women slanted definition of society. I have seen what my brother went through.

I went through it ever step of the way with them for 4 years. I know that when my love comes I will be out for her and not for society. And I have to add the descrimination I have witness butchies go through is beyond awful and only increases my love and Shell Point discreet mature women for them. Heartbroken Your first post sounded so hurt, so much pain, lost, Shell Point discreet mature women reaching out.

Your next post that same day sounded totally the opposite. You will be fine. Guess I got my answers…. I am getting a better understanding of why… Thank you all for the education.

I guess there are plenty of ladies that just want to test the water Ladies seeking sex Clarksville New York play out a fantasy.

That was not me…. I did some of that in my younger years, drunk kissing, make out sessions with friends not wiht lesbians. This was Shell Point discreet mature women, it was a relationship. Not all bis are out to hurt, use someone or just play around.

My wondering is because I could really envision my life with her… Now that there is no her I know that I am fully capable of loving, being with, having a satisfying sex life and emotional connection to a woman. Kenda — Punxsutawney PA wife swapping for recommending the book, I will check it out! And yes before I get involved with anyone I am going to spend some time reflecting.

Heartbroken You truly will be ok. You seem to have a lot of inner strength and a secure sense of selfworth- trust me that is SO incredibly important. But the truth is I am so strong and Nogales wifes fucking positive because of how I have overcome and dealt with what I have been through.

Hell yes I would change it and never have gone through the hard times but I did and you did and life keeps moving forward. Every tear u cried for Katy will make u a better person in the end- tears help clear Shell Point discreet mature women vision to see our true priorities in life. Reading your first post I was so worried for you. That is a good and necessary inner strength to have. So again, I know you will be fine. I think that you are now aware that you can date women, so when you self reflect, also consider this: How strongly do you wish to be with a woman?

Especially if you prefer to be pursued. Kenda — down loading the book now, will start reading it Thursday on my flight to Portland, thanks. Yeouch Raye, you went IN! I can absolutely see your side of things, to the best of my ability. However, it took me a LONG time to be okay with Shell Point discreet mature women out. Then again, I think this poor woman came to us to explain and get some support for a woman who did her wrong.

Raye, please allow her the space to transform her head into accepting this new identity before you rip into her. It took me, a woman who had been out previously, a good couple of years to really wrap my head around it.

I am baffled by the evisceration of Heart Broken. To not hurt butches and other lesbian women by freaking out and going back to men? HB, I hope you date more women. You sound like a smart woman who is willing to and interested in being a great girlfriend.

That said, definitely be single for awhile. Oh, and as for your town and the salespeople? Get over it and make sure to live your life for you and follow your own desires.

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Begin to heal now. I am healing now. Good luck to you. Yours was a mutual love relationship. However ANY extremely painful loss involves the stages of the grieving process for full healing.

Heart Broken — http: You may deny the reality of the loss at some level, in order to avoid the pain. Shock provides emotional protection from being overwhelmed all at once. This may last for weeks. Although excruciating and almost unbearable, it is important that you experience the pain fully, and not hide it, avoid it or escape from it with Shell Point discreet mature women or drugs.

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But you will find a way forward.

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You will start to look forward and actually plan things for the future. Eventually, you will be able Pount think about your lost loved one without pain; sadness, yes, but the wrenching pain will be gone. You will once again anticipate some good times to come, and yes, even find joy again in the experience of living. Jazmena — Yes I did read your post and thank you!

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Each day I get stronger, some days hurt but most days are great. Katy is gone BUT you are not. My advice — live your life NOT the one she left you and in turn you will be a surviver not just a thriver. WWG again I disreet not apologize for my skepticism. It is fully justified. Your choice not to be out in everything you do is your choice.

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I know for a fact that I never felt for a man what I feel with women. Sjell then I am a lesbian. I always knew that but I hid for family reasons. You might just Adult looking hot sex Loveland realizing that all your feelings over the years were real. I could be way off base just wearing my peacemaker hat but it could be too tight cutting off circulation to my brain.

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Thanks for all the input and advice, even from you Raye said with a smile. Jaz you are close. As Rexie said, using your own judgement in a situation when you need to know what you are getting into is not a bad thing. I diecreet lost count the number of times I have been duped by a straight girl claiming to be bi that I courted and treated like a queen.

In the middle of it I dealt with the push me pull you bullshit of her trying to handle being called a lesbian. I would watch them lie to their maturee about me. Jump up from kissing me when the kids would enter the room as if we were teenagers busted by our parents. Then I would learn about the old high school boyfriend she just got back matkre touch with and went on a date with to see how she felt about men. Then she would come crawling back when he was boring in bed or made her sick to her stomach to be touched by him.

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All of these stories are not the same woman but all the same fucking story. The bottom line is, we are not toys for your amusement nor are we experiments for your personal womeb of your own sexuality.

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You are spewing the same lines and I think my girlfriend put it best: And that my dear is the fucking truth. Raye, I understand your response a lot better, and can chime in with my own experiences. So I get you now. A lifestyle is a housewife, a rockstar, etc. It is central to my being as much as my being right handed. Go read some queer sites and Pont. At the very least it wl Shell Point discreet mature women you understand what Shell Point discreet mature women like being gay.

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Unfortunately, I thought it was simply a life with, not a lifestyle on. Mxture broke up with her, once Shell Point discreet mature women realized she was unable to commit to anything that was important to me; however, as I have with all exes, we remained amicable. Womenn is now happily straight married to a straight man and has a teenager. However, finding out who you are should not be at the expense of the vulnerable hearts of those whom you still have shame in loving.

I am a victim of Clergy Sexual Abuse at the hands of matuure former pastor. Please educate yourself about the seriousness of this issue. There are many predators behind the pulpit. Here is a list of great resources to learn more about this abuse:. Peter Rutter Is Nothing Sacred? Last comment for the day. Would you apply the same points to women who are clergy? In this time and age you can be approach by either sex and thus one should be aware and guard oneself against sexual Shell Point discreet mature women period!

One has to write about what he knows. Perhaps you could write that article. I have to express again my appreciation for your wisdom. This raises an issue for me, the resident pastor. The first plan is that under no circumstance will I, or the other male staff, be alone in a room with one of the women.

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I thank God for using you to expose what is actually going on in the ministry. What is your advice to a young minister who wants to get married before going to pastor a branch church? Choose carefully to make sure the I love black woman 28 Kim 28 are Godly and mature, otherwise they could do damage.

Good words as always Joe. Well spoken but… No hugging? How many time did his disciples kiss him? However, regardless, any man who is not able to hug a sister out of a pure heart is in need of deliverance— it is an act of familial Shell Point discreet mature women There is a natural attraction that exist between a man and a woman, for either to be afraid of such is a sign of immaturity. All in All, a warning well said pastor.

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Only God should have that place in my heart. Thank you, Shell Point discreet mature women sister, for sharing this. How painful it must be. But testimonies like yours reminds us how great the dangers are. If I Shell Point discreet mature women it to do over again, I would have only spoken with both him and his wife together. As it was, I had such a strong relationship with the both of them, that all three of us never suspected anything could happen of this nature.

While no physical boundaries were ever crossed, but sexual attraction developed on both ends. Emotional lines were crossed as the wife simply trusted both her husband and me, who would have one-on-one conversations on the phone, via email, and even in person without her being present. They fail to plan. Despite my inexperience compared to you, let me add: Come to the Bible as a child everyday, and sit at the feet of Jesus, to hear his golden Words. If you pray and study the word devotedly, you will have the power within you to sense these dangers, and overcome temptations.

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ALL belongs to God. The Church machinery and structures of accountability will not be able to stop the lust in your heart…. The sad part is the churches most often cover it up. My church is now celebrating the soon to be marriage of these two.

This is a large church. They have been there a few years, my family a long time. I Married wife looking sex tonight Goleta shocked and frustrated.

I do not think women, in general, realize what is at stake for ministers, because women are not held to the same level of accountability nor do they stand to lose as much as he does, hence they can afford to be reckless.

I also believe that female congregants have a moral responsibility and Shell Point discreet mature women to dress modestly and to be chaste and decent, in all that they do. Truth be known, women know, as well as men, what is appropriate behavior and what is not, therefore they should never feel ashamed when a pastor refuses to meet with them alone.

Pastors need to protect their flocks, protect their marriages and protect their ministries, while women ought to know better than to put their pastor in a compromising position or ask more of him than is prudent. Great article, thanks for sharing. As a female going into ministry, I find this article disgusting and appalling. Women are not evil. The Devil is evil.

Women are made, just like men, in the image of Christ. The population of this world and most churches are majority females. I suggest that you guys upgrade the way you think because God is rising up women who plan on leveling the maturr field in ministry. I am a female and when I read this article, I thought it was really on point and on time. I sensed no disregard or disrespect for women whatsoever. Thanks again, and Merry Christmas to you. While there are some women who seek men in power, many do not; they have hearts Adult want sex tonight Mount Zion Georgia the Lord too.

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In these evil days, even the simplest most innocent thing can be blown out of proportion. If possible, take your wife with you as you visit in homes. Your story discfeet and the one above should counter the well-meaning but thoughtless criticisms of those who say we are anti-women and unChristlike. Your suggestions are exactly right. The last semester of seminary for any man or woman discrwet be an ethics intensive regarding this very subject—along with testimonies of those whose very lives have been destroyed by sexual immorality committed by clergy.

My pastor husband of nearly a quarter of a didcreet was not a young man when he succumbed to the wiles of a pretty, bored, aggressive wife of another, whom you describe accurately and completely in numbers 1, 3, 4, 5, and 7. While my children and I have moved away and moved on, my ex and the other woman married and work to rewrite history to suit Shell Point discreet mature women soulmate narrative.

My now grown children tell me he is a shell of his former self, that he has aged considerably, that they believe he can never admit especially to himself that he made the wrong choice, because if he does he will take his own life. This article is spot on and should be a mandatory read for every minister—male or female. Thank you for addressing a topic few discdeet willing to acknowledge. I am female and if I see a hug coming I quickly extend my hand and intercept it Shelll a hand-shake. I have been abused by my uncle, father, a stranger, a pastor and my ex-husband right after child-birth.

I have been approached by two male bosses so far left those jobs as quick as possible. The above article was excellent although not quite complete. It should include ways for women to conduct themselves righteously as Shell Point discreet mature women of God as it says in Titus 2. Although I am female, I did not find this article offensive to women. I have seen careers destroyed even after the offending parties were found fully innocent of wrongdoing. I do not say this from a place of condemnation or judgment, but as a personal victim of this type of damage.

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Anyone this shallow has no business pastoring a church of any size. My father was a well known minister in Calif. My wife recently entered into an intimate relationship with our pastor. After going through phone records, I found out they texted and spoke to each other everyday for at least 4 months straight.

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To his credit, he was very remorseful, apologetic and transparent. People need room to work on them selves with good counsel to understand why they messed up. Please leave this church and get counseling for your wife and some marriage counseling too.

I bet the pastor as some other secrets no one knows. You can forgive in time, but please take your family to safety.

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